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grazie mille ottimo.. si infatti.. per quello che ho letto fin'ora ho percepito le stesse reazioni.. e la stessa difficolta'.. non sanno bene che fare.. tra l'altro in privato mi ha scritto l'admin del primo forum dove molti di noi sono iscritti.. non avevo visto il messaggio prima perche' era da qualche giorno che non controllavo.. mi ha spiegato che hanno scritto una lettera alla societa' liverpool.. girandogli i documenti vari e chiedendo se era il caso di proseguire.. anche secondo lui.. e' una cosa sbagliata.. e molti sono pure arrabbiati con i viola.. per averli presi in giro.. giocando soprattutto sull'Heysel che per loro e' una vergona ancora ad oggi.. soffrono della sindrome dell'Heysel come ho gia' detto .. e guai se qualcuno ci gioca sopra.

chi mi spiega in breve la storia del mosaico che il SOS starebbe pensando di bloccare? non riesco a leggere tutto e per tradurre mi ci vuole un po'.. sto tenendo d'occhio anche il nostro forum.. e non riesco a capire tutto quanto.. chi in breve mi delucida? grazie

lo so..ma gli altri.. sono solo degli stupidi.. non ti curar di loro.. l'importante e' creare il dubbio.. poi se la scazzino gtra di loro..

ottimo.. mi sembra che il casino la sopra si sia creato.. :-)) ora ne parlano qua sopra.. http://forum.raotl.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1...cd7c963de89b0a2

qualcuno che ha seguito tutto.. ci puo' fare un sunto delle tre pagine del topic? io sto curando il resto su internet.. perche' come presupponevo si sta muovendo FB.. i reds stanno scoprendo i nostri gruppi aperti sull'argomento..

http://forum.raotl.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1...34&start=15 anche qui ne stanno parlando.. adesso ho capito.. i visitatori che ho io sul sito di OG arrivano da un altro forum ovvero il link che ho appena posato.. che hanno aperto un topi csul nostro gruppo in inglese creato su FB..

trducete anche per chi non sa l'inglese cosi' facciamo capire a tutti.. e vale anche per me.. :-) traduzione google translator.. ihihi

visto ora te l'ho mandato..

io ce li ho ospiti sul mio forum. ti posso garantire.. non so come .. forse dal gruppo di fb.. dammi un mail che ti mando l'indirizzo corretto..

Dear Sirs, my name is A...... and I am writing to you on behalf of a network of Juventus supporters and ultras. We would like to ask for your attention on issues regarding the “twinning” made between Fiorentina and Liverpool on the eve of their Champions League clash at Anfield Road. The twinning between the clubs was requested by Fiorentina ultras and supporter clubs. The official reason for this request have been “respect for the club and its supporters”. In fact, there are many reasons to believe that such high consideration has its roots in the 1985 European Cup final at Heysel Stadium. Ever since that night, Fiorentina fans have been displaying Liverpool flags and scarves at their matches to taunt Juventus. On many occasions Fiorentina fans jeered and despised the victims of Heysel, and they still do, something that can be easily proved. Here you will find more information and proof of the relevant matters: http://orgogliogobbo.***********/?t...9725&st=195 http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...id=175464709685 The following letter has been sent to Liverpool FC. We also discussed the matter in one of the main Liverpool supporter forums (The Liverpool Way), where many fans expressed embarassment about the situation and the wish not to have anything to do with this twinning. This has also been a small but healthy ground of discussion on the Heysel facts between the two sets of fans (Juventus and Liverpool). We are not looking for controversy. We do not blame Liverpool for accepting the twinning with Fiorentina. After all, they are not supposed to know about domestic rivalries in Italy. Yet we think that all Liverpool fans should be aware of being used here by Fiorentina fans for their own purposes. -------------------------------------------------- PUBLIC LETTER TO LIVERPOOL FANS Hello, I'm writing to you on behalf of thousands of Juve fans; this is the first time we contact you after 24 years. Distance between us remains massive since we never talked after the Heysel tragedy despite more than 24 years have now gone by. Maybe without this perverse "twinning" we'd have not contacted you but in life nothing is still therefore we take the opportunity to let you know our opinion on this "twinning" and how the viola fans had used it against us during the match we played against fiorentina three weeks ago, and, above all, how they will always use it in the future. Of course you are free to befriend whoever you want, and we are definitely not asking you to give up this friendship, but we want you to be aware that since the first day that we aknowledged the intention of the viola ultras (because the idea came from them, not from shirters) to set up this "twinning" with you guys, it has been clear to us that the main reason, I'm not saying the only one - even if it's very likely, was the Heysel night. Since that awful night in 1985 every match we played against fiorentina was the time for chants and banners cheering that night. We are used to it and I personally don't even care, they do that as some of us do the same with the death of their former President or with the Arno flooding and the Superga tragedy. This is the way ultras behave and I'm not in the position to change some of my people's morality. However no juventus fan could ever deny the from our terraces these songs are sung, even if by a minority. Viola ultras are clearly lying to you, all fiorentina ultras sing those songs. It's not a minority, as some of you said before, it is a majority, the same that arrived three weeks ago in Torino wearing liverpool jerseys with MENO (MINUS) 39 on the back and singing the usual array of songs cheering the deaths of 39 innocent people. Those shirts were made and those songs were sung by the same ultras that now are saying that the reasons for this "twinning" are pure and sincere. It’s a fucking blatant lie. Now that the real reasons for this "twinning" are coming out of the shell here in Italy they are trying to deny what it's been so clear to all ultras in Italy, not only to us. For once, only once, the viola should be brave and admit what was really behind it. As I mentioned earlier it's obvious that there still is a huge distance between us mainly because your hools, the real responsible for what happened, never looked for forgiveness, if not few of them in private and only 20 years later (forgiveness that was by the way refused by Otello Lorentini - president of the association of the victims of Heysel - just before our encounter in 2005). Not only, the majority of them still say that they were attacked by Juve fans and that they only defended themselves. With these people there could not be any dialogue, only hate, forever and ever. At the same time it is also very true that younger Liverpool fans have always seen the Heysel tragedy as a huge soft spot, something to be really ashamed for and even feeling guilty for something they have not commited. And it's also very true that during recent years it was them who actually did more than anybody else to remember the victims and show them the due respect. Back in 2005 when you offered us friendship, many of us didn't accept it also because we felt it was one of those UEFA plans to make football look good... We just didn't believe it was genuine. For the above mentioned issues, of course there's still a lot of rage from our side and it's not even easy just to write to you, not to mention full forgiveness, at least without important gestures from your side. At least not before looking at each other's eyes after so many years. At least not after full awareness of the true story of what happened that night. It will be very difficult for you and us to come close until there are still people on your side that are happy for what happened. However this is the real chance to start this process. Should you make a historic gesture towards our victims I'm sure this would not go unnoticed by the majority of our supporters. After a tragedy like the one we suffered of course this process will take a long time but something has to be done sooner or later and this gesture may well be a beginning. It's obvious that viola fans are now coming out with silly excuses for those above mentioned jerseys, for the liverpool scarves shown and the songs "we love liverpool" sung at our faces during our last encounter. We know that a doubt has already appeared in some of you about the real nature of this "twinning". We advise you to test the viola fans before your match against them at Anfield. Ask them to join you in a display of respect towards the victims of Heysel, maybe with a banner held together by you and the viola ultras (the CAV, collettivo autonomo viola), not the shirters, they would have no problem in joining you, but the ultras, the real masterminds behind this "twinning" with you guys. Ask them to show respect and take distances from that horrible jersey they were wearing during our last encounter with them. Ask them to give you a strong signal that this "twinning" is sincere and not based on the Heysel tragedy. We are not loved by anyone in Italy, as it happens everywhere with winning clubs, however all italian ultras agree on the real reasons behind this friendship and condemned the hypocrisy shown by Italian media portraing it as a finally mature behaviour by some Italian ultras despite being well aware of the real reasons behind it. And they despise the viola ultras for denying the truth. Ultras may be bad in a lot of ways but they don't lie. They are honest and brave. They don't like cowards lying in order to let a wrong message come through. And this is clearly the case. In conclusion, we don't ask you to do anything, but if you really care to come closer to us test the viola ultras. If we are right they will never accept and you know that they only wanted to use you. If we are wrong at least you'll be sure about the reasons of this "twinning". We'll be watching and we'll draw our conclusions. But if you really want to come closer to us starting a pattern of dialogue this is THE chance. Ther won't be others so clear and easy to approach. www.orgogliogobbo.it http://www.tifosibianconeri.com http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1754...9685&v=wall (gruppo in inglese) http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1499...0635&ref=ts (gruppo in italiano) http://www.tifosibianconeri.com/forum/index.ph...p;#entry7600031 http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F...233a486519ae31b ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our only goal and the only reason why we are doing this is to raise awareness about the real reasons behind this twinning, the quest for rightness of information and above all, respect for the victims of Heysel and their families. Thank you for your time and attention, Best regards, Annamaria Licata -- http://www.orgogliogobbo.it http://www.tifosibianconeri.com/forum -- www.orgogliogobbo.it http://www.tifosibianconeri.com/forum

girargli lo stesso il tutto.. e' ordinato e piu immediato.. stanno dicendo se ho compreso bene che stanno gia' lavorando per stoppare il tuto.. ma cosa? stanno gia venendo in molti sul nostro forum per le foto.. devi avergli pubblicato il link.. gli interessa e come..

posagli questo link le maglie si vedono benissimo.. http://orgogliogobbo.***********/?t...9725&st=195 e questo e' il link del video http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...id=175464709685

comunque The-Lightning se ho compreso bene hai aperto tu il topic giusto? bravo.. hai fatto bene.. tu cerca solo di provocare il loro ragionamento senza mai addentrarti sulle polemiche della distribuzione delle colpe.. fai capire che non e' quello l'intento della lettera.. ma come hanno iniziato a capire in molti.. noi stiamo solo avvisando delle reali intenzioni dei viola.. poi vedano loro.. non e' questo il momento ne' il luogo per parlare della tragedia in se stessa.. ti consiglio di barricarti dietro questa difesa come abbiamo fatto noi l'altra volta.. qualcuno controlli anche l'altro forum.. per vedere se ne riparlano.. dopo butto l'occhio anch'io.. comunque lo stanno capendo quasi tutti.. che i viola hanno fatto una porcata.. e stanno capendo che rischiano il chiudersi definitivo delle porte per un possibile riavvicinamento futuro tra noi e loro.. significativi diversi interventi.. ottimo.. devono essere loro a chiedersi cosa fare.. noi dobbiamo solo assistere.. non polemizzare con loro. e domani secondo me.. sara' ancora piu rumorosa la cosa..

e' meglio lasciarli discutere tra di loro.. noi meno parliamo e meglio e'.. sull'Heysel.. e' meglio non parlare troppo .. perche' ognuno ha una visione e nessuno di noi puo' rappresentare tutti in un pensiero comune.. troppo delicato e complesso l'argomento. I nostri scritti.. devono arrivare e far discutere.. ma loro.. non con noi.. Non vogliamo parlare con loro.. ma semplicemente li abbiamo preavvisati.. cosi' la prossima volta che gli voltiamo le spalle.. non avranno nulla per cui offendersi.. ognuno e' artefice del proprio destino. Aspetto a posare alcune cose dopo che l'articolo del telegraph uscira.. prima non posso.

bellissimo questo intervento..

ma onore di che .. c'e' chi sta scrivendo che la colpa e' nostra di quella maledetta sera.. la colpa e' di quei 39 disgraziati morti in quel modo orrendo.. mi verrebbe voglia di scrivere quello che penso davvero di loro.. ma e' meglio che me sto tranquilla.. altrimenti rovino tutto il lavoro fatto da tutti in questi due mesi.. ma alcuni sono bastardi nell'animo.. con un orgoglio che gli annebbia pure quel poco di cervello che hanno ma lasciamo perdere.. puntiamo a far ragionare quelli che hanno compreso.. gli altri hanno gia' il posto prenotato all'inferno insieme ai loro soci di tifo.. che 25 anni fa.. si comportarono peggio dei barbari..

Ora mi iscrivo anch'io.. finalmente perlomeno ne parlano..

tenete d'occhio questi due link.. incrociamo le dita e poi vediamo che succede.. in teoria da domani mattina.. perp' io stasera un controllo glielo darei.. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/